The Sparks Effect: Ron and Russell Mael’s Enduring Magic

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Ron and Russell Mael of the pop-rock duo Sparks (Credit Munachi Osegbu)

Ron and Russell Mael smile indulgently at me like affectionate uncles. “The Sparks Brothers”—as filmmaker Edgar Wright dubbed them in his 2021 documentary—find my flustered, haphazard interview style amusing. I’m usually detached, in control. But on this video call, I feel like I’ve entered both Ron’s and Russell’s homes—and I’m giddy.

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Excited and nervous, I stumble through unrelated questions, then apologize for how random I’m being. When I say I’ll try to normalize, they insist, “Please don’t!”

Their impact—what I’m calling “The Sparks Effect”—is a common one. In 54 years of releasing music—their latest album, MAD! (out May 23), is their 28th—Sparks have shaped generations. You don’t just like Sparks, you worship them. One fan recently told me, “If AI could somehow download their brains so Sparks could keep going on and on, that would be amazing. They deserve to live forever.” Had they faced the brothers like I have, they might also be losing it, at least a little.

The cover of Sparks' new album MAD!
The cover of Sparks’ new album MAD!

Sparks defy the cliché of dueling brothers in a band. They complement each other—sharp and sly, as their lyrics suggest. Their irreverent song topics turn everyday oddities into sticky earworms. On MAD! alone, there’s an ode to one of L.A.’s most congested freeways, “I-405 Rules,” and another to the humble “JanSport Backpack”—perhaps the least inspired but most durable of bags.

Ron (79) sits in what looks like a dusty museum, eyes shining behind his trademark round glasses. I imagine it as the physical manifestation of his mind. In his home, Russell (76) peers through large tortoiseshell frames, an Elvis figurine and kitschy knick-knacks behind him. I’ve seen these faces across decades and countless brilliant songs. In 2006, when they popped up on Gilmore Girls—same episode as Sonic Youth, Yo La Tengo, and Joe Pernice—with Russell flexing and Ron deadpanning at his keyboard, I thought my brain would explode. Since the documentary, it’s felt vindicating to watch Sparks finally get their due.

“A lot of people were really touched by us in a personal way before the film,” Ron tells me. “In one sense, you hope that other people discover the band. But the other thing is, “I want them for myself.” People really enjoy being part of a secret organization. We prefer to have those people disappointed.

“Hate to ruin the novelty, but we’re glad that it happened,” he chuckles.

(Credit: Munachi Osegbu)
(Credit: Munachi Osegbu)

I lived by the 405 for nearly 30 years, so I have a special hatred for it. What made you want to write a song about that freeway?

Ron: One evening I went to the Getty Center. I hardly ever see the artwork. It’s more the place itself and the view of Los Angeles from there around dusk time, the traffic moving gave the appearance of being a river, something really flowing—even if it’s flowing slowly at that hour. There’s kind of an inferiority complex for some people in Los Angeles with regard to European monuments or landmarks like rivers that we don’t have. But I think there are things here that are beautiful. We just have to see them in a different light. That was the starting point for that song.

JanSport is probably the most basic, but most enduring, backpack ever made. How did it inspire the song?

Ron: I make no value judgments. I just write them. But it’s seeing some stylish people in foreign countries wearing that backpack. It used to be so utilitarian. It kind of floated into it being: what if that was the symbol of a girl leaving a guy? That image of her, not even seeing her, but seeing that backpack was a signal of depression for him.

Your sources of song inspiration are fascinating.

Ron: Some things aren’t based on any specific incident. They just come to you. We’ve been lucky over the years that if you stay open, ideas show up, even during those frustrating stretches when nothing seems to happen. They can hit at the strangest times.

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What has it been like writing and recording albums in your home studio?

Ron: In the ancient past, record companies were more generous with their recording budgets, and we would go into very expensive studios. It’s fun to spend that money. But the one thing is you had to be prepared when you went in. We would usually be well rehearsed, and there weren’t many alterations you could make once the recording started. One big advantage of the way we work now is we have so much flexibility in fooling around with the form of a song, or even starting from nothing where in the past that wouldn’t have even been possible. We don’t feel at all defensive either about the sound quality. The way things are technologically now, we’re able to do the same thing sonically that you can do in a big studio. It just doesn’t look as impressive.

You’ve worked with some great producers over the years. What lessons from them still stick with you?

Russell: We got a good education from a lot of the best that there are. From Tony Visconti, amazing producer, both his taste and his sensibility in music is pretty in line with ours. He’s an amazing musician. He’s an amazing technical engineer as well. Just having the support of those people—they’re not doing it in a way to stroke you, but just that they really encourage the eccentricity of what we’re doing, and don’t want to sand off the edges—has been really supportive. Giorgio Moroder is a different kind of producer, but he has his uniqueness and specialties that he brings to his recordings, in a completely different way than Tony Visconti. Even Todd Rundgren was another one. He not only produced our first album, but was the first person to acknowledge Sparks, to give us a record deal where we could make our first album. He was another one, almost like Tony Visconti, that didn’t want to change what we were, but he thought maybe the fidelity of our recordings could be enhanced, and he could help out that way. But he totally wanted to keep the demos that we presented to him, the final versions, to not stray off course from that. It’s learning things like that.

The songwriting thing, with someone like Muff Winwood, who did the Kimono My House album, he’s a different kind of guy, where he’s less coming at it from a musical way. It’s more a sensibility and a feeling and an encouragement of what you’re doing, pushing you to do the maximum that he thinks that you can do, saying, “Maybe there’s one more really great song for this album. Could you try to do it?” You’re hurt, because if you read into that, maybe you’re thinking, “Gosh, what’s wrong with the ones we’ve already presented?”

All those different producers, in the way they work, we learned how to be our own bosses, to take the things we’ve learned, and saying, “Maybe we need one more song to really make the album really strong,” as opposed to taking the easy route and saying, “That’s finished and it’s good enough as it is.”

Russell (left) and Ron, 1982. The shot was used for the cover of their 11th studio album, ‘Angst In My Pants’. (Credit: Eric Blum/Michael Ochs Archives/Getty Images)

How did the producers help shape your perspective on your work?

Ron: That’s the hardest thing. Before, somebody else could do that. But we have to almost step outside of ourselves and try to be as objective as we can about things. It’s impossible when it’s you doing the thing, especially something that involves a certain measure of creativity. But we try as best we can to view things in a dispassionate way, knowing that, in the end, it’s going to make the strongest statement. For us, that’s the important thing, that the statement be bold and strong and striking. You get a feeling after a while when that’s happening for you.

Does the brotherly connection make creating music as Sparks easier?

Russell: We both have the same unspoken, unwritten goal for what Sparks should be. There’s not a conflict about what we should be doing. That’s a baseline for working. You don’t have to explain anything. We’re in agreement on the direction. Our roles don’t overlap at all within the band, so that isn’t an issue. We tend to rely on our own sense about what everything should be. It’s the easiest way to work.

Is there a creative medium you haven’t tried yet that you’d like to explore?

Russell: We have a new movie musical project we’ve been working on for a little bit now, that’s the next thing after the new Sparks album. A little over a year ago, we had another amazing bit of luck. We had read an interview with John Woo, the director, saying he wanted to do a musical. Knowing what his films are like, we just said, “That’s weird and really odd. We’ve got to contact him.” Turns out he lives in L.A. and that same week, he was sitting in our studio listening to the whole two hours of this project. He said, “This is amazing. I want to direct it.” Since then, we’ve been working with him to refine some little elements in the screenplay we’ve done. We’re hoping that’s going to get greenlit soon so we can start on it.

Ron: We got a lot of confidence, both from the Annette project and also from The Seduction of Ingmar Bergman. We would feel less comfortable if we were to do just a soundtrack for a film, but we really feel comfortable doing something that’s wall-to-wall singing for two hours. We wouldn’t give up doing Sparks songs, but it really helps in a musical sense, in a different way.

(Credit: Munachi Osegbu)
(Credit: Munachi Osegbu)

Did Edgar Wright’s documentary lead to your music being discovered by new fans or rediscovered by old ones?

Ron: We had previous offers to do a documentary, and we never wanted to do it. One of the reasons we wanted to work with Ed, there’s the thing of him being a great director, but also, his view was that there wasn’t a “golden age.” All the albums have a certain strength to them. Sometimes things get buried just because of lack of commercial success. But he didn’t need to be sold. That was definitely a selling point for us. Rather than saying, we’ll emphasize this decade, and then a little addendum is the rest, he wanted to treat everything, and I think it had an effect.

Russell: It also liberated us in our live shows to do some really obscure songs that we still like a lot from albums that were maybe not that well known. We know now that Sparks fans and people coming to see us, they’re surprised at hearing something they wouldn’t have expected. We found that they sonically fit into what we’re doing now. There’s not a distinction. If someone comes and doesn’t know our whole history, maybe they won’t even know exactly what era something is. It’s really fun for us.

You’re about to embark on a massive world tour starting June 8. After seeing your 20-song hometown Hollywood Bowl show in 2023, I’m curious—how do you maintain the stamina for performances like that?

Russell: Caring is the first step. You want to be able to present yourself on stage in the way that if people have heard your records, and they know who you are, that you sound like how you sound on record. It’s a task, because there’s a physiological thing, singers especially, over time, ranges get narrower. You have to combat that sort of thing. I try doing as much cardio stuff as I can do, because it all helps your breathing. Singing is all about breathing. Then, leading a really boring life where you don’t do anything. No smoking and things like that. Common sense and maybe good luck along the way too.

I’ve seen you outshine every act at festivals. What’s your secret?
Ron: Even after having done it for quite a long time, we really enjoy what we’re doing. You can’t fool people in that sense. It seems kind of haphazard, sometimes unsafe, but we really are disciplined in what we do. The documentary showed the discipline of writing, but we’re disciplined in the live shows too, to try and not let down those songs by a presentation that’s kind of substandard. We feel we have an obligation to have the live show match the quality of the album as best as we can. We’re fortunate enough to play with great musicians that really embody what we would like to do. You can’t guarantee it 100%, things happen from night to night, but we try to be prepared for every kind of situation. 

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See Trailer For Miley Cyrus’ ‘Beautiful’ Visual Album

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Miley Cyrus has revealed the first trailer for the film companion to her upcoming album Something Beautiful, which is due May 30 from Columbia Records. The “one-of-a-kind cinematic experience” will take place for one night only in North America on June 12, with an international release to follow on June 26 from Trafalgar Releasing and Sony Music Vision.

Directed by Cyrus, Jacob Bixenman and Brendan Walter, Something Beautiful will premiere June 6 at the Tribeca Film Festival in New York. It was produced by Cyrus, XYZ Films and Panos Cosmatos.

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Cyrus calls Something Beautiful “my dream project come true — fashion, film and original music coexisting in harmony. My co-creators are all geniuses in their own right: from the masters of sound, Shawn Everett and Alan Meyerson, to one of cinema’s most unique directors, Panos Cosmatos, serving as a producer. Each collaborator has used their expertise to make this fantasy a reality.”

As for the 13-track proper album version of Something Beautiful, it includes guest appearances by Alabama Shakes’ Brittany Howard and model Naomi Campbell. The pre-release single “End of the World” has performed the best of several other previews, having garnered nearly 50 million Spotify streams so far.

Something Beautiful is the follow-up to 2023’s Endless Summer Vacation, which hit No. 3 on the Billboard 200. It spawned the monster chart-topping single “Flowers,” which won Record of the Year and Best Solo Pop Performance at the 2024 Grammys.

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Kevin Parker Refines Orchid Chord Generator For Second Drop

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After selling out its first run in less than four minutes late last year, Tame Impala’s Kevin Parker and the Telepathic Instruments team are making 3,000 additional units available of their bespoke musical instrument, Orchid, beginning May 29. The product is aimed at helping users easily generate chords as a means to aid the compositional and creative processes.

The 12-note keyboard was “originally conceived as a tool for Parker’s own songwriting” more than a decade ago. It contains a patent-pending chord voicing engine, three separate synthesizer emulators (a polyphonic virtual analog subtractive synth, an FM synth and a vintage reed piano emulation inspired by a famous 1960s electric piano), a MIDI out port, built-in speakers and a rechargeable battery, while modes such as Strum, Slop, Arpeggiator, Pattern and Harp allow for adding numerous human touches.

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Initial users have been able to “shape and refine” the instrument through an online community dubbed the Garden in tandem with Patreon, leading to the inclusion of 10 new sounds, an improved loop mode and numerous bug fixes and UX refinements. Those interested in purchasing an Orchid this time around must follow the Garden for instructions.

Telepathic is also launching Telepathic Studios to help artists develop their songwriting processes with the help of Orchid. Sessions are set in London from May 23-24 and will also be held later this year in Los Angeles. Among the musicians already using Orchid are Gracie Abrams, Fred again.. and Murda Beats.

Tame Impala hasn’t performed since March 2023, and Parker has spent the time since focusing on songwriting and production work for artists such as Dua Lipa and Justice.

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Bruce Springsteen Releases EP With Trump-Bashing Speeches

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Bruce Springsteen’s pre-song speeches bashing Donald Trump at the E Street Band’s European tour opener last week are immortalized on the new digital EP Land of Hope & Dreams, which also includes four full live performances.

At the May 14 show in Manchester, England, Springsteen labeled Trump as “corrupt, incompetent and treasonous” before he and his bandmates had even struck a note. “In my home, the America I love, the America I’ve written about, that has been a beacon of hope and liberty for 250 years, is currently in the hands of a corrupt, incompetent and treasonous administration,” the Boss said prior to “Land of Hope and Dreams.” “Tonight we ask all who believe in democracy and the best of our American experiment to rise with us, raise your voices against authoritarianism and let freedom ring!”

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Land of Hope & Dreams includes that sequence plus the song itself, as well as “Long Walk Home,” another anti-Trump speech prior to “My City of Ruins” and a cover of Bob Dylan’s “Chimes of Freedom,” which the E Street Band hadn’t performed live since 1988.

Trump’s social media post in response to Springsteen’s comments called the rock legend a “dried out prune of a rocker” and a “pushy, obnoxious jerk.” Trump has since called for an “investigation” into payments made to artists like Springsteen to perform at rallies for 2024 Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris.

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Gorillaz Construct ‘House Of Kong’ For London Exhibit

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Gorillaz will bring fans into their bespoke cartoon world this summer as part of the exhibition House of Kong, which will be staged Aug. 8-Sept. 3 at London’s Copper Box. Click here for tickets.

Per organizers, House of Kong will trace the Damon Albarn-led band’s “life of misadventures, musical innovation and groundbreaking virtual ways” since their debut in 2000 with “Tomorrow Comes Today.” See the exhibition trailer below.

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To complement House of Kong, Gorillaz are reassembling for concerts at the 7,500-capacity Copper Box Arena on Aug. 29-30 and Sept. 2-3. Exhibition ticket-holders will have the first crack at tickets, with details to be announced.

Gorillaz have been off the road since performing at Coachella in 2023. The group’s most recent album, that year’s Cracker Island, was their second U.K. chart-topper and also debuted at No. 3 on the Billboard 200. It earned a Grammy nomination for Best Alternative Music Album.

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The Kooks Go Back to the Beginning

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Hugh Harris says that we’re nostalgia hunters. 

When he says “we,” it’s not clear whether he’s talking about himself and his Kooks bandmate, Luke Pritchard, or “we” as in all of us.

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He’s right either way.

Rock ‘n roll, especially the brand of rock ‘n roll that the Kooks peddle in, is a nostalgic venture. The early 2000s’ indie rock boom, particularly in the U.K., owed quite a lot to the British Invasion in its sound and style. 

But when I say that theirs is a nostalgic venture in 2025, I don’t mean that the Kooks are chasing down any heights from previous hits or trying to cling to any commercial heyday. It’s just that, in the last few decades, and in 2025 especially, rock ‘n roll is referential. It’s continually trying to dig something up: a sound, a culture, a feeling. The genre’s cyclical nature means we’re all just out in the woods hunting for nostalgia, whether we’re making it or consuming it.

The Kooks can admit this, especially as they’ve gotten older along with their fans.

“You can get buried in hunting those feelings because they represent a time when things were much simpler, and we had less responsibilities,” Harris says. “So yeah, naturally, you fall back. You create a kind of wormhole to your past, because it makes you feel good about your present.”

With Never/Know, their seventh studio album fully produced by the band, the Kooks have created that wormhole to the past—not just that of the rock music they love. Sonically, the music channels their influences, like early Stones, Dylan, Bowie, and the Kinks, perhaps more than their previous releases, and also burrows back to the early days of the band, where there were fewer expectations and a little more uncertainty. Now a duo, the Kooks have been on the road across their native U.K. on a stripped-down acoustic tour. Smaller venues, more intimate shows. It feels like the beginning again, and it’s provided a boost when they might’ve needed it.

“People are actually learning our songs, and it feels like a new beginning with the new music and support,” Pritchard says. “There’s a lot of love for the band still out there.”

Pritchard admits looking at the tour schedule and looking at cities and thinking, “Come on, there’s no one in Coventry that still listens to the Kooks.”

But he was wrong. “Turns out there’s a few. And that’s really nice, man, because it’s easy to take it for granted,” he says. “Bands rarely last beyond five years. We’re still here, and that’s a massive honor and testament to our fanbase.”

Stripping down everything has made them more vulnerable. There’s no hiding behind barriers or amps. It’s them in a room with their guitars and each other, come what may. 

Off stage, too, the simplified touring apparatus has brought them back to the “good old days,” as partners in this dream and as friends; just a couple of guys in a splitter van, gear in the back, taking turns driving and controlling the aux cord.

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The way they talk about it, it sounds a lot like the stories of married couples revitalizing their relationships after years over “their song” or reminiscing over times when the whole thing was more new and exciting; recapturing that feeling again with little things like songs they used to play in the van 20 years ago.

“Twenty years working together, we go through ups and downs,” Harris says. “But it’s a good wave at the moment. I think it’s just like capitalizing on the things that we both share in common, which are just very simple values. And realizing that, you know, the show must go on.”

They’re not the first band where things got more complicated personally as their star grew. It’s cliché at this point. But it’s an archetype, a stereotype, because it’s true. It’s real.

“I think it’s very easy to kind of lose sight of the original intention,” Harris continues, “and that seems to have been recentered really nicely.”

He’s noticed a change in Pritchard’s writing, too. Allowing himself to fall back on the things that gave him his initial spark has allowed him to write in his purest form, something that maybe he hasn’t been able to do recently due to expectations or outside influence—or any of the things that can cloud an artist’s creative vision over time.

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Pritchard calls it “spooky” the way the fully formed idea for the album struck him. He saw the beginning, middle, and end all at once. He’s not sure exactly where it came from. 

He theorizes that part of it came from the fact that his son has now reached the age Pritchard was when his own father passed away, so maybe he was feeling a little existential, vulnerable to an emotional breakthrough.

“I realized how much time my dad actually had with me,” he says. “It’s not that all the songs are about that or anything. It just kind of had this lightning bolt effect on me, kind of a quite joyous, euphoric feeling, and music came out of that.”

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There are a few ways that aging indie rock bands can go. We’re seeing that in real time right now—sometimes gracefully, sometimes not. Pritchard and Harris are aware that they have a large fan base that has gotten older alongside them. But they’re also energized by the prospect of a younger generation finding them for the first time, just as they have for genres like shoegaze and nu metal, as rock ‘n roll’s cyclical nature continues.

“Knowing where you come from… It’s empowering,” Harris says. “As an adult moving forward with life, we need all the power we can draw from, and that’s what being in a band is about. That’s what art is for.”

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Twenty One Pilots Enter The ‘Breach’

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Working quickly on the heels of the hugely successful 2024 album Clancy, Ohio rock duo twenty one pilots will return in September with another new LP, Breach.

No specific release date has been confirmed for the Fueled by Ramen project, but the first single, “The Contract,” will arrive June 12. Breach can be pre-ordered by clicking here.

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Clancy was twenty one pilots’ fourth straight top five entry on the Billboard 200 and sold more than 143,000 copies in its opening week of release. The group just completed a world tour in support of it, which drew 1.1 million fans.

Last fall, twenty one pilots contributed “The Line,” their first new music since Clancy, to the second season of the Netflix animated series Arcane. In April, they brought forth a demo version of “Doubt” from the 2015 album Blurryface after the original song enjoyed a viral TikTok moment, and in recent days have been sharing behind-the-scenes content from that era on Instagram.

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Four Tet, William Tyler Revel In ‘Late ’80s’ Vibes

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Fresh off dazzling thousands of fans last weekend while headlining his own two-day festival at Under the K Bridge Park in Brooklyn, N.Y., Four Tet’s Kieran Hebden has re-teamed with guitarist William Tyler for 41 Longfield Street Late ‘80s, a full-length album follow-up to their 2023 single Darkness, Darkness.

The seven-track project will be released Sept. 19 through Temporary Residence Ltd. and is led by an 11-minute cover of Lyle Lovett’s “If I Had a Boat,” which can be sampled below.

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Hebden and Tyler met at the 2013 edition of the Bonnaroo festival and made Darkness, Darkness remotely, but in early 2022, they gathered at a Los Angeles studio where Floating Points had just completed his acclaimed album with Pharoah Sanders, Promises.

“We discussed references for an album and Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Fennesz and AM oldies radio stations came up,” Hebden recalls. “But the main influence was found when we discovered a shared deep connection to ‘80s American country and folk music – artists like Lyle Lovett, Nanci Griffith and Joe Ely. My father was a huge fan of this sound and through my teenage years I heard this music most days and was taken to see loads of performances. The guitar player David Grissom made a huge impact on me as a kid learning to play. It’s not an influence that I usually mention, but it’s in there more than I realize and must have helped me develop my sound and ideas.

“It turns out that William’s father was working in Nashville as a songwriter during this period and actually knew people like David Grissom,” he continues “So, William had grown up with this music as well and knew all the stuff that I was talking about and we both felt that it had shaped our styles. Our idea for the album was to make music that focused on that influence and brought it to the front of our awareness. We’d record the guitars in the studio, exploring styles and sounds from that music, and then I’d take it all home to my computer and bring it into my other world.”

Hebden spent “almost two years doing the computer bit of the album and sometimes sent stuff back over to William who added more overdubs and ideas in response. On some tracks, all that’s left of the guitars are digital fragments of sound making rhythmic textures. Taking it slowly allowed us to create a new sound out of this shared teenage experience and gift from our fathers.”

While he and Hebden initially “bonded over a mutual love of a lot of late ‘90s post rock,” Tyler says he was “kinda shocked (in the best way) that [Hebden] was so versed in ‘80s Americana. Not so much my world, but definitely a world I grew up around. I never thought that a connection with someone like Kieran would end up coming down to both of our dads and their mutual love of a certain kind of music. I grew up in Nashville, he grew up in London. But we heard things the same way, I think.”

When it came to actually make music together in the same room, Tyler “never really thought, oh, we’re gonna have this album done by a certain point. I just knew that when Kieran felt like it was done, it would be done. I think we both in our own specific ways want to recontextualize a lot of music that we grew up with, regardless of the genre, and I think that’s what this album reflects. It’s a lot of nostalgia but it’s also very forward-focused. I don’t even know what genre I’m supposed to be in at this point, but I trust Kieran and I love what we’ve done together. He’s become a dear friend and I can’t wait to see what’s ahead for us.”

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Chuck D Is Calling You Out

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Chuck D is prepping for a busy summer. Following a Public Enemy performance in Napa Valley and another at Boston Calling at the end of May, Chuck, Flavor Flav, and crew head overseas for a handful of shows in June before joining Guns N’ Roses on their Because What You Want & What You Get Are Two Completely Different Things tour. It’s a grueling schedule, with dates peppered all across Europe. They’ll eventually return to the States toward the end of July, landing in Athens, Georgia, on July 22. 

For Chuck, this is nothing new. As Public Enemy’s frontman, he’s been trotting around the globe since the 1980s, bringing the group’s politically-charged anthems and militant style of the S1Ws to audiences in every corner of the world. Now 64, Chuck is one of hip-hop’s few sexagenarians still rocking the mic, a topic he addresses on his new compilation project, Radio Armageddon. While the 14-track effort bridges the generational gap—contributions include gangsta rap innovator Schoolly D and Stetsasonic’s Daddy-O alongside up-and-comers like Miranda Writes—Chuck is laser-focused on the lack of respect given to our hip-hop pioneers.

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“The ism of ageism is up there with sexism and racism,” Chuck D tells SPIN by phone. “Ageism is derailing elders.” 

Chuck D and Flava Flav at the 2024 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony on October 19, 2024 in Cleveland, Ohio. (Credit: Sara Jaye/Getty Images for The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame)
Chuck D and Flava Flav at the 2024 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony on October 19, 2024 in Cleveland, Ohio. (Credit: Sara Jaye/Getty Images for The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame)

Unlike rock ’n roll, where artists like Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger are touring into their 80s, hip-hop is still a relatively youth-focused genre, so there aren’t as many older artists blazing the trail. Ice-T, Chuck, Flavor Flav, Kurtis Blow, DJ Kool Herc, and Grandmaster Flash are among the hip-hop legends in their 60s, and they often have to fight for their rightful place. 

“Daddy-O, to me, did the best album of 2024 and nobody covered it,” he points out. “There’s no classification for classic hip-hop. The curation of classic hip-hop has to be at least half of what classic rock has done. I’m traveling with a classic rock act this year in stadiums. Now, classic rock is made up of so many groups out of the ’90s. Green Day is a classic rock group, and they do whatever they want.

“I was with a rock group that was damn near a cover band [Prophets of Rage] that did great tours around the world, although we had original music and played Rage Against the Machine songs, Public Enemy songs, and Cypress Hill songs. When are we going to start seeing hip-hop cover bands? I think we’re right around the corner. It’s about the songs. The songs are the gods. And then the best way to turn on new generations to old songs is performers that have the passion to connect.” 

Chuck D and Flavor Flav perform onstage during Jelly Roll & Friends: A Concert for All First Responders at Rose Bowl Stadium on February 1, 2025 in Pasadena, California. (Credit: Amy Sussman/Getty Images for Jelly Roll)

Despite the uphill climb, Chuck is still testing the boundaries of his musical (and lyrical) craft, as evident on Radio Armageddon. From the chaotic, Bomb Squad-flavored lead single, “New Gens” featuring Daddy-O, to the frenzied feeling of “Rogue Runnin” with Phill Most Chill, some people aren’t going to “get it,” and Chuck is at peace with that. 

“It’s me doing a new style of being a master of ceremonies,” he says of the project. “You have the hip-hop god Daddy-O on ‘New Gens,’ and he’s more conventional, straight up with the rhyme on the beat. My thing was coming unorthodox from left field, and it’s not meant to be liked. Sometimes we could go on a tangent. I don’t give a fuck about likes, and I don’t give a fuck about approvals on art because I come from an art background. However, when I’m presenting an MC, it’s different. I think MCs like 1/2 Pint and Miranda Writes on ‘Is God She?’ are doing a phenomenal job and should get the look.” 

As far as the production, Chuck has entrusted David “C-Doc” Snyder, who he describes as the “Brian Eno of hip-hop,” to weave supercharged sonic threads into his own slightly tattered tapestry of sound. Rough around the edges at times yet interesting enough to warrant a head nod or two, Radio Armageddon primarily relies on Chuck’s authoritative voice to command attention. Nearly 40 years after releasing Public Enemy’s rallying cry, “Fight the Power,” he continues to spotlight important issues. 

“Make racists afraid again,” he raps on “Here We Are Heard.” “They wanna build a wall between us and Mexicans/Still on the outside lookin’ in/Based on the skin I’m in,” a somber reminder that the United States hasn’t made much progress in that department.

As Chuck said, not everybody is going to “like” Radio Armageddon, but for those who want an experience that equates to “listening to a radio station dipped in acid with Wu-Tang Clan fighting at the door, trying to get in”—as Chuck puts it—let the record play. 

“It’s very hard to introduce a sonic audio revolution in 2025, when everybody’s addicted to their screens,” he says. “People don’t listen with their ears first anymore, they listen with their eyes, but C-Doc has invented the sudden turn production, and he’s learned from the blueprint of the Bomb Squad but has turned it into this drive into a ditch-type style that I don’t think is precedented. He’s running with the words and dancing with the beats.”

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New Book on Bob Dylan Explores the Artist’s Most Influential Period of Music

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Bob Dylan in 1965. (Credit: Val Wilmer/Redferns)

During the 1960s, Bob Dylan was many things to many people: a folk music icon, a civil rights activist, and a singing revolutionary. He released a dizzying array of landmark albums, such as The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan, Highway 61 Revisited, and Blonde on Blonde, making him one of the decade’s most innovative artists. But he was also one of the most controversial. He was famously called a “Judas” for abandoning folk music—a genre he helped reinvigorate—to go electric. He relished in his exploding celebrity status in the mid-’60s, only to reject it by the end of the decade. During interviews, Dylan told conflicting stories about his background and his music, not allowing anyone to truly know him. More than 50 years later, the legendary singer-songwriter is considered one of the most influential—and mysterious—cultural icons the world has ever seen.

Now, a new biography explores this fascinating period in Dylan’s fabled music career. 

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Decade Of Dissent: How 1960s Bob Dylan Changed The World by author and journalist Sean Egan draws on exclusive original interviews and never-before-published insights about the first 10 years of Dylan’s music career, spanning his rise as a music icon to his self-inflicted descension as a background character in the cultural zeitgeist of the 1970s. 

“I think you’ll get something from this book, regardless of whether you are new to Dylan or whether you know a lot about him,” says Egan. “I hope it gives an insight into why he was so culturally important in the 1960s…he brought a political consciousness and poetry to popular music. And when you think about it, that changed the world…”

From why Dylan changed his name to his 1966 motorcycle accident to the release of his 1970 album, Self Portrait, Decade Of Dissent explores in detail the decade that solidified the artist as one of the greatest musicians of all time.  

SPIN: So many books have been written about Bob Dylan. How is your book different from other Dylan biographies? 

Sean Egan: Part of it was a prosaic reason, namely, about 15 years ago, I did quite a long article on the making of Highway 61 Revisited through a U.K. magazine. And I interviewed most of the musicians who played on it, plus Daniel Kramer, who took the cover photograph. He also took the cover photograph of Bringing It All Back Home. As with all magazine features, you have a hell of a lot of material left over, which you can’t include, just for reasons of space. And so it was always in the back of my mind that one day that might make the basis of an interesting book. 

In terms of a book that focuses on Dylan’s career in the 1960s, that is really the crucial part of it, which is not to say he hasn’t made great albums since, but every album that he made in the ’60s seemed to be revolutionary, maybe apart from his debut album. As both an artist and a sociopolitical force, which is what he essentially became, that was by far the most interesting part of Dylan’s life and career.

I imagine if you’re going to pick any period in Dylan’s career, the 60s would be it. 

Oh, yeah. Everything he recorded in that decade is interesting, if not necessarily great. He starts the decade in 1962 in a fairly mediocre way with his debut album, which is mostly cover versions. So that’s not much interest to us at this end of history, because, of course, what is interesting to us about Dylan is his own songs. And he ends it in a curious way with Nashville Skyline, which is a very slick album, but to a great extent, an empty album, which has got none of the things that we came to love Dylan for, i.e., poetic and meaningful words and a refusal to fall into line with song convention. But in between those two albums, those two bookends, if you like, he just makes a string of revolutionary albums, full of great songs and lyrics that elevate popular songs and new plateaus of poetry. And he also puts in many great performances, as both a vocalist and on harmonica, both of which he is extremely underrated for.

Bob Dylan in1966. (Credit: Charlie Steiner - Highway 67/Getty Images)
Bob Dylan in 1966. (Credit: Charlie Steiner – Highway 67/Getty Images)

What was the most difficult aspect of writing this book? 

I think it was simply having to sift through Dylan’s contradictory stances and opinions and recollections. In the end, very often, you simply have to either discount one contrasting point of view and say, “Well, common sense dictates that this is the real truth,” or you have to represent both points of view and leave it to the readers to make up their own minds. Dylan, I think at bottom, is an admirable person, and he’s done more good than harm in this world. But yeah, it is extremely annoying that you can’t get a definitive version of events from Dylan himself, and you have to rely on outside sources and your own intuition. 

Why do you think he was insistent on creating falsehoods about his background, essentially creating, not just a stage name, but multiple personas? 

There’s sort of prosaic and mundane reasons, as well as more profound reasons. 

Zimmerman, which is his real name, is a Jewish name. And quite frankly, in those days, if you wanted to get on in life, especially in the entertainment business, it was considered to be necessary to downplay any ethnicity, anything that wasn’t sort of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. So, that may be the reason for him changing his name. As for Dylan itself, he’s given conflicting reasons for the choice of that name. Sometimes he says it came from Dylan Thomas. Sometimes he says it didn’t. I guess we’ll never know. But it all seems to be tied up with this discomfort about where he came from and about his uneasy relationship with his father. He just didn’t want people to know that he came from where he did. And of course, it’s much more glamorous—and this applies to everybody, not just Bob Dylan—to pretend that you came from an underprivileged background than to say “Yeah, I wanted for nothing when I was a kid.”

Joan Baez and Bob Dylan perform during a civil rights rally in1963 in Washington D.C. (Credit: Rowland Scherman/National Archive/Newsmakers)
Joan Baez and Bob Dylan perform during a civil rights rally in 1963 in Washington D.C. (Credit: Rowland Scherman/National Archive/Newsmakers)

In the first chapter of your book, you write about Dylan’s family background and how it influenced songs such as “Blowin’ in the Wind,” “Masters of War,” and “The Times They Are A-Changin’.” Can you talk about the impact it had on him as an artist?

Dylan doesn’t come from poverty. He never wanted for anything when he was a kid, financially. Culturally and emotionally, that’s a very different kettle of fish. He comes from up on the border of Canada in Hibbing, Minnesota, which was quite a barren place culturally, and quite a very cold place as well. He once said, “Well, I didn’t rebel when I was a kid, because it was too cold to rebel.” In terms of his family background, I guess we’ll never know fully because he’s quite circumspect about it. But there seems to have been a profound problem in his upbringing. I think he got on well with his mother and with one of his grandmothers, but with his father, it was a much more complicated situation, partly because his dad was a businessman, and like a lot of businessmen do, he employed his kids in his workplace so they could earn a bit of money. And one of Dylan’s jobs assisting his father, who owned a furniture store at one point, was to repossess furniture from people who had fallen behind in payments because they’d become unemployed. And Dylan detested that job, absolutely detested it. His girlfriend at the time said it was just the thing that he dreaded most in life, and that seems to be one of the things that gave him an early sympathy for the underdog and the underprivileged. Eventually, that manifests itself in his protest songs.

It seems like he’s got to have a large amount of empathy to write such powerful anthems. 

Dylan has always been happy to embrace material privilege for himself. He was driving cars and riding motorbikes when he was still a teenager. And of course, he’s been happy to be the recipient of royalty checks, which started very early on because “Blowin’ in the Wind” was covered by everybody and his uncle in the early days. But he can also see the inequities of the capitalist system. Not that he’s ever embraced socialism. He is much too intellectually acute to embrace easy answers. And so you get that line in, “It’s Alright Ma, (I’m Only Bleeding)” where he says, “Darkness at the break of noon / shadows even the silver spoon.” If we can assume “darkness at the break of noon” is a reference to Arthur Koestler’s anti-communist [novel] Darkness at Noon, silver spoon is a metaphor for capitalism; he’s basically saying that one system is just as bad as the other. 

Newport Folk Festival, 1964. (Credit: Gai Terrell/Redferns)

The Basement Tapes were an indirect result of Bob Dylan’s 1966 motorcycle crash. Some people say that his long recovery period was an excuse for Dylan to take time away from the public. Do you agree? 

He wanted to get away from the pressures, and there were unbelievable pressures in his career. He’d released three albums in the space of 13 or 14 months; one of them a double album. And not just any albums, but some of the greatest music ever made to this very day. He’d been on world tours, backed by an electric band, booed to the rafters at every concert. People were actually paying so that they could boo him because it was considered to be selling out if you moved from folk to pop or rock. And the toll that took both physically and psychologically, I mean, none of us can really imagine it. And he just released Blonde on Blonde in June ’66. And he was due to go out on another world tour. I don’t know whether Dylan would’ve survived that tour because he was keeping himself going—or his manager, Albert Grossman, was keeping him going, shall we say—by artificial means, which was another thing that must have been playing havoc with his constitution. He had a motorbike accident on July 29. And there’s no doubt that was an accident. But he aggrandized it into something bigger in order to be able to say to Grossman and to the people that he was contracted to do work for, “I can’t do this.” His brain works very fast, and he realized that he could turn this to his advantage and simply get off that treadmill, which was in danger of killing him.

And The Basement Tapes, of course, are the consequence of that. While he was recuperating, Grossman said to him, “Well, can you at least write some songs so that we can get some cover versions?” Because at that point in history, everybody wanted to record a Bob Dylan song. He didn’t have many hits of his own. But other people, when they covered his songs, tended to have hits. He started writing some songs, and they were very odd songs; nothing like what he’d written before. They were quirky. They were humorous. They were quite penitent. He wasn’t this scathing East Coast hipster anymore. He was a sort of ruralized person who was contemplating what he’d done and what he’d done to other people, and what other people had done to him, such as Grossman. And this all manifests itself in some of the strangest, but also most wonderful songs that you’ve ever heard. We now refer to them as The Basement Tapes, but they were, at the time, a 12-song acetate that was circulating amongst the rock aristocracy.

By the 1970s, Dylan was no longer part of the cultural zeitgeist, no longer innovating the music scene. What do you think contributed to this? 

Part of it was voluntary. He no longer wanted to be considered the leader of the counterculture or the world’s youth or whatever people considered him to be. He was being hounded by these people. One of the reasons he played the Isle of Wight Festival in Britain in 1969 is that the Woodstock festival was located there in Woodstock. Eventually, it moved to Bethel, 90 miles away, but it was going to take place in Woodstock because Dylan lived there. And it was the most ridiculous maneuver to try to coax him out of his…not quite retirement…but he kept a low profile at the time and wasn’t touring at all. So he was basically sick and tired of people trying to put him on a pedestal, although he sort of willingly occupied it back in the protest days. Then we have this culminating in Self Portrait in 1970, which was a deliberately terrible double album, which was almost designed to get these people off his back.

Do you think there is anyone who really knows Bob Dylan, the man?  

I suppose it would be one of his wives rather than anybody else. But he does seem to be a very complicated, convoluted person, as demonstrated by the fact that he’ll give totally different versions of events. For instance, I mentioned Self Portrait. He’s given quotes about that album where he says, “Yes, it was a deliberately terrible album to make people leave me alone.” And then I’ve seen him give other quotes where he quite impassionately said it was a great album, and people didn’t listen to it properly, and that’s why they don’t understand it. That’s a very odd mentality, a very odd psyche that he has; almost schizophrenic. We, the general public, might think we know who Bob Dylan is, but you’d have to be one of his intimates to really understand who he is. I don’t think he even knows himself sometimes.

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