{"id":1422,"date":"2025-05-22T15:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-05-22T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/musictechohio.online\/site\/the-sparks-effect-ron-and-russell-maels-enduring-magic\/"},"modified":"2025-05-22T15:00:00","modified_gmt":"2025-05-22T15:00:00","slug":"the-sparks-effect-ron-and-russell-maels-enduring-magic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/musictechohio.online\/site\/the-sparks-effect-ron-and-russell-maels-enduring-magic\/","title":{"rendered":"The Sparks Effect: Ron and Russell Mael\u2019s Enduring Magic"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/04\/Sparks_PhotoCredit_MunachiOsegbu3.jpg\" width=\"\" height=\"\" alt=\"Ron and Russell Mael of the pop-rock duo Sparks (Credit Munachi Osegbu)\"><\/figure>\n<\/p>\n<p>Ron and Russell Mael smile indulgently at me like affectionate uncles. \u201cThe Sparks Brothers\u201d\u2014as filmmaker Edgar Wright dubbed them in his 2021 documentary\u2014find my flustered, haphazard interview style amusing. I\u2019m usually detached, in control. But on this video call, I feel like I\u2019ve entered both Ron\u2019s and Russell\u2019s homes\u2014and I\u2019m giddy.<\/p>\n<p>More from Spin:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.spin.com\/2025\/05\/miley-cyrus-visual-album-trailer\/\">See Trailer For Miley Cyrus\u2019 \u2018Beautiful\u2019 Visual Album<\/a>\n\t\t<\/li>\n<li>\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.spin.com\/2025\/05\/kevin-parker-refines-orchid-chord-generator\/\">Kevin Parker Refines Orchid Chord Generator For Second Drop<\/a>\n\t\t<\/li>\n<li>\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.spin.com\/2025\/05\/bruce-springsteen-new-ep-trump\/\">Bruce Springsteen Releases EP With Trump-Bashing Speeches<\/a>\n\t\t<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Excited and nervous, I stumble through unrelated questions, then apologize for how random I\u2019m being. When I say I\u2019ll try to normalize, they insist, \u201cPlease don\u2019t!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Their impact\u2014what I\u2019m calling \u201cThe Sparks Effect\u201d\u2014is a common one. In 54 years of releasing music\u2014their latest album, <a href=\"https:\/\/transgressive.lnk.to\/mad\" target=\"_blank\"><em>MAD!<\/em><\/a> (out May 23), is their 28th\u2014Sparks have shaped generations. You don\u2019t just like Sparks, you worship them. One fan recently told me, \u201cIf AI could somehow download their brains so Sparks could keep going on and on, that would be amazing. They deserve to live forever.\u201d Had they faced the brothers like I have, they might also be losing it, at least a little.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/04\/Sparks_MAD_AlbumArtwork.jpg\" alt=\"The cover of Sparks' new album MAD!\" class=\"wp-image-463874\" srcset=\"https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/04\/Sparks_MAD_AlbumArtwork.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/04\/Sparks_MAD_AlbumArtwork-340x340.jpg 340w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/04\/Sparks_MAD_AlbumArtwork-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/04\/Sparks_MAD_AlbumArtwork-498x498.jpg 498w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The cover of Sparks\u2019 new album <em>MAD!<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Sparks defy the clich\u00e9 of dueling brothers in a band. They complement each other\u2014sharp and sly, as their lyrics suggest. Their irreverent song topics turn everyday oddities into sticky earworms. On <em>MAD!<\/em> alone, there\u2019s an ode to one of L.A.\u2019s most congested freeways, \u201cI-405 Rules,\u201d and another to the humble \u201cJanSport Backpack\u201d\u2014perhaps the least inspired but most durable of bags.<\/p>\n<p>Ron (79) sits in what looks like a dusty museum, eyes shining behind his trademark round glasses. I imagine it as the physical manifestation of his mind. In his home, Russell (76) peers through large tortoiseshell frames, an Elvis figurine and kitschy knick-knacks behind him. I\u2019ve seen these faces across decades and countless brilliant songs. In 2006, when they popped up on <em>Gilmore Girls<\/em>\u2014same <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=9yyW-IDgWss\" target=\"_blank\">episode<\/a> as Sonic Youth, Yo La Tengo, and Joe Pernice\u2014with Russell flexing and Ron deadpanning at his keyboard, I thought my brain would explode. Since the documentary, it\u2019s felt vindicating to watch Sparks finally get their due.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cA lot of people were really touched by us in a personal way before the film,\u201d Ron tells me. \u201cIn one sense, you hope that other people discover the band. But the other thing is, \u201cI want them for myself.\u201d People really enjoy being part of a secret organization. We prefer to have those people disappointed.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHate to ruin the novelty, but we\u2019re glad that it happened,\u201d he chuckles.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1280\" height=\"714\" src=\"https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/04\/SPARKS-2025-PRESS-SHOT-3-CREDIT-MUNACHI-OSEGBU-e1747923285816.jpg\" alt=\"(Credit: Munachi Osegbu)\" class=\"wp-image-463875\" srcset=\"https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/04\/SPARKS-2025-PRESS-SHOT-3-CREDIT-MUNACHI-OSEGBU-e1747923285816.jpg 1280w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/04\/SPARKS-2025-PRESS-SHOT-3-CREDIT-MUNACHI-OSEGBU-e1747923285816-340x190.jpg 340w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/04\/SPARKS-2025-PRESS-SHOT-3-CREDIT-MUNACHI-OSEGBU-e1747923285816-768x428.jpg 768w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/04\/SPARKS-2025-PRESS-SHOT-3-CREDIT-MUNACHI-OSEGBU-e1747923285816-498x278.jpg 498w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1280px) 100vw, 1280px\"><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">(Credit: Munachi Osegbu)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>I lived by the 405 for nearly 30 years, so I have a special hatred for it. What made you want to write a song about that freeway?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ron:<\/strong> One evening I went to the Getty Center. I hardly ever see the artwork. It\u2019s more the place itself and the view of Los Angeles from there around dusk time, the traffic moving gave the appearance of being a river, something really flowing\u2014even if it\u2019s flowing slowly at that hour. There\u2019s kind of an inferiority complex for some people in Los Angeles with regard to European monuments or landmarks like rivers that we don\u2019t have. But I think there are things here that are beautiful. We just have to see them in a different light. That was the starting point for that song.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JanSport is probably the most basic, but most enduring, backpack ever made. How did it inspire the song?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ron:<\/strong> I make no value judgments. I just write them. But it\u2019s seeing some stylish people in foreign countries wearing that backpack. It used to be so utilitarian. It kind of floated into it being: what if that was the symbol of a girl leaving a guy? That image of her, not even seeing her, but seeing that backpack was a signal of depression for him.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Your sources of song inspiration are fascinating.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ron: <\/strong>Some things aren\u2019t based on any specific incident. They just come to you. We\u2019ve been lucky over the years that if you stay open, ideas show up, even during those frustrating stretches when nothing seems to happen. They can hit at the strangest times.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"1301\" src=\"https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/GettyImages-74296563.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-464950\" srcset=\"https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/GettyImages-74296563.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/GettyImages-74296563-340x369.jpg 340w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/GettyImages-74296563-768x833.jpg 768w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/GettyImages-74296563-498x540.jpg 498w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\"><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">1970. (Credit: Michael Ochs Archives\/Getty Images)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>What has it been like writing and recording albums in your home studio?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ron: <\/strong>In the ancient past, record companies were more generous with their recording budgets, and we would go into very expensive studios. It\u2019s fun to spend that money. But the one thing is you had to be prepared when you went in. We would usually be well rehearsed, and there weren\u2019t many alterations you could make once the recording started. One big advantage of the way we work now is we have so much flexibility in fooling around with the form of a song, or even starting from nothing where in the past that wouldn\u2019t have even been possible. We don\u2019t feel at all defensive either about the sound quality. The way things are technologically now, we\u2019re able to do the same thing sonically that you can do in a big studio. It just doesn\u2019t look as impressive.<\/p>\n<p><strong>You\u2019ve worked with some great producers over the years. What lessons from them still stick with you?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Russell:<\/strong> We got a good education from a lot of the best that there are. From Tony Visconti, amazing producer, both his taste and his sensibility in music is pretty in line with ours. He\u2019s an amazing musician. He\u2019s an amazing technical engineer as well. Just having the support of those people\u2014they\u2019re not doing it in a way to stroke you, but just that they really encourage the eccentricity of what we\u2019re doing, and don\u2019t want to sand off the edges\u2014has been really supportive. Giorgio Moroder is a different kind of producer, but he has his uniqueness and specialties that he brings to his recordings, in a completely different way than Tony Visconti. Even Todd Rundgren was another one. He not only produced our first album, but was the first person to acknowledge Sparks, to give us a record deal where we could make our first album. He was another one, almost like Tony Visconti, that didn\u2019t want to change what we were, but he thought maybe the fidelity of our recordings could be enhanced, and he could help out that way. But he totally wanted to keep the demos that we presented to him, the final versions, to not stray off course from that. It\u2019s learning things like that.<\/p>\n<p>The songwriting thing, with someone like Muff Winwood, who did the <em>Kimono My House<\/em> album, he\u2019s a different kind of guy, where he\u2019s less coming at it from a musical way. It\u2019s more a sensibility and a feeling and an encouragement of what you\u2019re doing, pushing you to do the maximum that he thinks that you can do, saying, \u201cMaybe there\u2019s one more really great song for this album. Could you try to do it?\u201d You\u2019re hurt, because if you read into that, maybe you\u2019re thinking, \u201cGosh, what\u2019s wrong with the ones we\u2019ve already presented?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>All those different producers, in the way they work, we learned how to be our own bosses, to take the things we\u2019ve learned, and saying, \u201cMaybe we need one more song to really make the album really strong,\u201d as opposed to taking the easy route and saying, \u201cThat\u2019s finished and it\u2019s good enough as it is.\u201d<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"1207\" src=\"https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/GettyImages-1271905777.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-464956\" srcset=\"https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/GettyImages-1271905777.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/GettyImages-1271905777-340x342.jpg 340w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/GettyImages-1271905777-768x772.jpg 768w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/GettyImages-1271905777-498x501.jpg 498w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\"><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Russell (left) and Ron, 1982. The shot was used for the cover of their 11th studio album, \u2018Angst In My Pants\u2019. (Credit: Eric Blum\/Michael Ochs Archives\/Getty Images)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>How did the producers help shape your perspective on your work?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ron:<\/strong> That\u2019s the hardest thing. Before, somebody else could do that. But we have to almost step outside of ourselves and try to be as objective as we can about things. It\u2019s impossible when it\u2019s you doing the thing, especially something that involves a certain measure of creativity. But we try as best we can to view things in a dispassionate way, knowing that, in the end, it\u2019s going to make the strongest statement. For us, that\u2019s the important thing, that the statement be bold and strong and striking. You get a feeling after a while when that\u2019s happening for you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Does the brotherly connection make creating music as Sparks easier?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Russell: <\/strong>We both have the same unspoken, unwritten goal for what Sparks should be. There\u2019s not a conflict about what we should be doing. That\u2019s a baseline for working. You don\u2019t have to explain anything. We\u2019re in agreement on the direction. Our roles don\u2019t overlap at all within the band, so that isn\u2019t an issue. We tend to rely on our own sense about what everything should be. It\u2019s the easiest way to work.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Is there a creative medium you haven\u2019t tried yet that you\u2019d like to explore?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Russell:<\/strong> We have a new movie musical project we\u2019ve been working on for a little bit now, that\u2019s the next thing after the new Sparks album. A little over a year ago, we had another amazing bit of luck. We had read an interview with John Woo, the director, saying he wanted to do a musical. Knowing what his films are like, we just said, \u201cThat\u2019s weird and really odd. We\u2019ve got to contact him.\u201d Turns out he lives in L.A. and that same week, he was sitting in our studio listening to the whole two hours of this project. He said, \u201cThis is amazing. I want to direct it.\u201d Since then, we\u2019ve been working with him to refine some little elements in the screenplay we\u2019ve done. We\u2019re hoping that\u2019s going to get greenlit soon so we can start on it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ron: <\/strong>We got a lot of confidence, both from the<a href=\"https:\/\/sparks-us.myshopify.com\/products\/annette-an-opera-by-sparks-the-original-2013-recordings\" target=\"_blank\"> <em>Annette<\/em><\/a> project and also from <a href=\"https:\/\/store.allsparks.com\/products\/the-seduction-of-ingmar-bergman-spk\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Seduction of Ingmar Bergman<\/em><\/a>. We would feel less comfortable if we were to do just a soundtrack for a film, but we really feel comfortable doing something that\u2019s wall-to-wall singing for two hours. We wouldn\u2019t give up doing Sparks songs, but it really helps in a musical sense, in a different way.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1283\" height=\"1924\" src=\"https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/Sparks_PhotoCredit_Munachi-Osegbu-683x1024-1.jpg\" alt=\"(Credit: Munachi Osegbu)\" class=\"wp-image-463877\" srcset=\"https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/Sparks_PhotoCredit_Munachi-Osegbu-683x1024-1.jpg 1283w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/Sparks_PhotoCredit_Munachi-Osegbu-683x1024-1-340x510.jpg 340w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/Sparks_PhotoCredit_Munachi-Osegbu-683x1024-1-768x1152.jpg 768w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/Sparks_PhotoCredit_Munachi-Osegbu-683x1024-1-1024x1536.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/static.spin.com\/files\/2025\/05\/Sparks_PhotoCredit_Munachi-Osegbu-683x1024-1-498x747.jpg 498w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1283px) 100vw, 1283px\"><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">(Credit: Munachi Osegbu)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>Did Edgar Wright\u2019s documentary lead to your music being discovered by new fans or rediscovered by old ones?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ron: <\/strong>We had previous offers to do a documentary, and we never wanted to do it. One of the reasons we wanted to work with Ed, there\u2019s the thing of him being a great director, but also, his view was that there wasn\u2019t a \u201cgolden age.\u201d All the albums have a certain strength to them. Sometimes things get buried just because of lack of commercial success. But he didn\u2019t need to be sold. That was definitely a selling point for us. Rather than saying, we\u2019ll emphasize this decade, and then a little addendum is the rest, he wanted to treat everything, and I think it had an effect.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Russell:<\/strong> It also liberated us in our live shows to do some really obscure songs that we still like a lot from albums that were maybe not that well known. We know now that Sparks fans and people coming to see us, they\u2019re surprised at hearing something they wouldn\u2019t have expected. We found that they sonically fit into what we\u2019re doing now. There\u2019s not a distinction. If someone comes and doesn\u2019t know our whole history, maybe they won\u2019t even know exactly what era something is. It\u2019s really fun for us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>You\u2019re about to embark on a massive <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/allsparks.com\/#tour\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>world tour<\/strong><\/a><strong> starting June 8. After seeing your 20-song hometown Hollywood Bowl show in 2023, I\u2019m curious\u2014how do you maintain the stamina for performances like that?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Russell: <\/strong>Caring is the first step. You want to be able to present yourself on stage in the way that if people have heard your records, and they know who you are, that you sound like how you sound on record. It\u2019s a task, because there\u2019s a physiological thing, singers especially, over time, ranges get narrower. You have to combat that sort of thing. I try doing as much cardio stuff as I can do, because it all helps your breathing. Singing is all about breathing. Then, leading a really boring life where you don\u2019t do anything. No smoking and things like that. Common sense and maybe good luck along the way too.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I\u2019ve seen you outshine every act at festivals. What\u2019s your secret?<\/strong><strong><br \/><\/strong><strong>Ron: <\/strong>Even after having done it for quite a long time, we really enjoy what we\u2019re doing. You can\u2019t fool people in that sense. It seems kind of haphazard, sometimes unsafe, but we really are disciplined in what we do. The documentary showed the discipline of writing, but we\u2019re disciplined in the live shows too, to try and not let down those songs by a presentation that\u2019s kind of substandard. We feel we have an obligation to have the live show match the quality of the album as best as we can. We\u2019re fortunate enough to play with great musicians that really embody what we would like to do. You can\u2019t guarantee it 100%, things happen from night to night, but we try to be prepared for every kind of situation.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>To see our running list of the top 100 greatest rock stars of all time, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.spin.com\/2021\/07\/the-greatest-rock-stars-of-all-time\/?utm_source=yahoo&amp;utm_medium=bottomlink&amp;utm_campaign=yahoolink\">click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ron and Russell Mael smile indulgently at me like affectionate uncles. \u201cThe Sparks Brothers\u201d\u2014as filmmaker Edgar Wright dubbed them in his 2021 documentary\u2014find my flustered, haphazard interview style amusing. 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